Feddit.online25% of Americans Avoiding Tesla Tech Because of Elon Musk
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Three things are no secret: 1) Elon Musk benefits more than any other individual from Tesla’s success, 2) Elon Musk has gotten extremely involved in political matters (emphasis on “extremely”), and 3) many people won’t buy Tesla products because of those first two facts.
New research from JW Surety Bonds finds that 1 out of 4 Americans “avoid Tesla’s technology due to their opinions on Elon Musk.” That’s a full quarter of the US public that won’t consider great electric vehicles, including the best selling vehicle in the world, because of Musk’s highly abnormal involvement in US politics.
Before we get to more of the research, it should also be noted that Musk has been getting more and more involved, including in highly abnormal and extremely right-wing ways, in European politics — in the UK, Italy, Germany, and other major auto markets. Without a doubt, this is starting to impact consumer behavior in Europe as well.
I can’t think of anything else as significant in consumer product sales. Yes, there are some other highly politically engaged business people, but they aren’t so directly involved or tied to significant mass-market products. (I’m not counting the MyPillow guy, for example.) There are founders and CEOs of major corporations who are known political actors, but not so openly and loudly that they draw widely significant scrutiny or tarnish the brand they represent.
I refused to buy Tesla products when he decided to slander rescue divers trying to save kids trapped in a flooded cave. His politics didn't even hit my radar until later. But, yeah; fuck that weirdo and any company that associates with him. I'm happy to give his competition money.
Also WTF is the wording in that article. A lot of jumping to conclusions on a number of things.
Would they buy Tesla if Elon were visited by Luigi?
A family member had a deposit down on a Cybertruck and was ready to buy one. They canceled their deposit and bought a different EV because of how much they despise Elon now, so it's not just sour grapes from people that couldn't/wouldn't buy one anyways.
It may be difficult to really say who's part of that group. Years ago, I definitely wanted a Tesla. Would I have been part of that group at that time? Then the downsides started to show up. Poor QA. No independent repairs. Expensive repairs and poor warranty coverage. Their vision of a car controlled by an app. Then Musk went insane.
Then later, when I was in the market for a new car, I didn't seriously consider a Tesla. I looked at them briefly to make sure I wasn't missing out on something big, and found the options to be lackluster. I ended up buying a Bolt.
Would I have bought a Tesla, were it not for Elon's political actions? TBH, probably not. The repairs thing really turned me off. Even though it's largely theoretical (I've yet to find an independent EV mechanic), it's very important that I have the possibility.
At least they also don’t have to put their car into CAR WASH MODE to not brick it getting a clean hahaha
I genuinely don't get when they say "haters are just jealous they can't afford it"... Like, no? Seriously? Do you see them hating on Lamborghinis or Ferraris? It doesn't make any sense.
Count me among the boycotters. Musk has made it all but certain I'll never ever buy any product or service he benefits from if I can avoid it.
Also...
There. FTFY.
He is one of the most dangerous people today. Not one penny of my money will go to him willingly from me.
I'm trying to decide if second hand purchases would somehow have upstream effects.
Yes, because then the original purchase has more value.
Improving the resale value makes the new product more desirable.
I might willingly give him a penny. But only after its been electromagnetically accelerated to sufficient speed by a pair of charged rails.
I fucking hate saying this and agree but it doesn’t matter if any of our money goes to him… he’s a legit supervillain that has the most money. It’s insane. Nothing matters anymore. (Okay some things matter, if someone buys a tesla, money notwithstanding, they also forfeit their privacy)
So, not Iron Man at all, then, just Lex Luthor with hair plugs.
And he actually even has the hair plugs
Sad that it's only 25%.
Some people may still be boycotting Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby. Though I doubt if it's 25%.
I don't go to Chick Fil A because their chicken is gross and soggy. But I still wouldn't eat there if it was good because the company is gross.
I still boycott Chic-Fil-Subpar.
I've had it for free a couple times and I cannot understand what the hype is all about. I can go down the street to a mom and pop place and get a way better chicken sandwich for the same price and I don't have to wait in a line wrapping around the block. It's definitely some cult behavior.
But yeah, I have LGBTQ people in my life so I don't need to support an anti-LGBTQ corporation. Unfortunately, most Americans like tasty treats and shiny objects more than morality or accountability.
Yep, I don't eat at Bigot Bird, either.
I have good memories of eating there with my dad in the 90s and I guess it was fine? But I know better now and I'm too queer for their BS.
I'd break my "don't eat X animal species" dietary restrictions before I ate there.
I'm still among those people. On the rare occasion that I am presented with no option for food other than Chik-Fil-A, I find their food disgusting. I only have two data points - nuggets and hash browns - and both were excessively greasy, bland turds.
My girlfriend's mom gifted her a Hobby Lobby gift card. We regifted it back to her the following year.
I fully support folks boycotting Chik-Fil-A, but you went to a store known for their *chicken sandwiches* and then got other things. Their sandwiches are basic but good. I don't enjoy their nuggets or hash browns either.
Their chicken is soggy and disgusting.
I kinda hate that Elon is the issue for 25% of people and not the fact Tesla is using regular cameras instead of LiDAR
Not sure about the value of LiDAR, but their inability to integrate ANY multimodal sensors (RADAR or even SONAR parking sensors which are no longer on ANY of their vehicles) points to either an unwillingness/inability to solve the engineering problem of integration, penny pinching, or both. I bought a demo Model 3 in 2019 (it’s a 2018) which has ultrasound sensors (for now? It used to also have RADAR) and as our family has grown a Y would be a much better fit for us. But no chance I’m buying another Tesla.
It’s crazy that my decade old car has better sensors than every Tesla on the road
Do you mean the model used to have RADAR, or your particular car? If the latter, did they actually disable it with a software update?
My Model 3 shipped with front facing RADAR, and continued to make use of it until a software update disabled it. That was some time in 2024, I believe. New Teslas (forget when it started) all omit the front facing RADAR and the ultrasonic parking sensors. I believe the Model X still retains some ultrasonic sensors for its “falcon wing” doors to avoid obstructions.
That is absolutely infuriating
That would be me. I don’t shop at either. Neither do my friends or family. Don’t give money to companies that use it to actively persecute you and your friends.
Probably at least another 25 percent of people would not consider Tesla products at all due to misinformation from the oil and gas lobby. Then at least 50 percent cannot afford Tesla. Certainly there is overlap between these groups, but still I am pretty sure that Elons political hobby is costly to Tesla. Unfortunately, whatever Tesla may lose in future revenue, he gains back through crypto pump and dump schemes.
The problem is also that the typical tesla customer was progressive or left leaning, a group which greatly overlaps with the people he pissed off. Plus he doesn't seem to have pickud up a to of potential customers on the right, they seem to tolerate him at best.
I can't boycott Tesla because of Musk because their reputation for poor build quality and horrific servicing means I wouldn't even consider them to begin with. That and I want my control stalks.
Those are rookie numbers - you gotta pump those numbers up
I have yet to purchase a single product made by the racist loser and I will continue to do so.
And yet, our tax dollars enrich him. Isn't that great?
It's really unfortunate that he owns starlink because in rural areas that's basically the only option that works at this point.
This is subjective.
This is distorted by the fact that they have fewer than half a dozen models. They aren't even in the top 10 brands world wide. BYD is in the top 10 and they sell twice as many vehicles.
Tesla isn't growing and as the foul Musk spread through global politics the brand will fall more. He wasted his first mover advantage. It's just a waiting game on how long the market will remain irrational with the stock price.
Exactly this, I would've bought one eventually if he'd just shut up, a lot of would.
But why would I support an openly racist, fascist, fuckhead trying to buy his way into power? Toyota, Honda, Kia, and all the other corpos are plenty evil *and* have the manufacturing and support experience an auto maker needs.
The idea of a generic parts "libreauto" is cool. A frame/chassis designed to accept drop-in parts from other established manufacturers so you could part out wrecked cars and assemble them into your own frankencar.
Oh yes, 3 ton chunks of metal speeding down the street build by the local methhead of of parts of wrecked cars. Seems very idyllic.
I mean, shade tree mechanics, modified cars, kit cars, and cars restored/rebuilt by amature mechanics, etc have all existed about as long as cars in general. If your local government does vehicle inspections those will still apply when the kit cars become electric. And if it doesn't you'll be in no more danger than you already are.
Salvage is already a huge part of car repair and restoration, and certainly isn't the exclusive domain of methheads.
What, do you want them to explain what's wrong with modular interoperability by learning about it and engaging with the facts of the issue? That's haaaarrrrrd!
It's way easier to just invoke culturally-ingrained prejudice against drug use that was inserted into our heads by some assholes who were cynically manipulating the narrative for political gain.
I also really don't like the implication that people without an addiction should somehow be 'above' reuse, salvage, or diy projects. That consuming products and filling landfills is somehow safer or more dignified. It feels like marketing at work and it's an attitude I sometimes get from some conservative relatives who see fixing old things as poor people behavior and don't understand why I wouldn't just buy something new if I could afford it. I love fixing things, making things, and finding interesting ways to reuse or repurpose parts. I think this idea that buying products, especially new, should be the default or only way is wasteful and damaging. Especially when those products are deliberately made worse so you'll buy them again and again.
I've done some car work over the years and easily half the parts I put in came secondhand off eBay, undoubtedly from a junkyard in some other state.
I'd like to switch to an electric vehicle but I'm deeply skeptical of the built in surveillance and overreliance on internet enabled software. I kind of wonder if my best bet for a car I trust to not spy on me or get hacked will be some kind of kit car situation in a few years.
The idea there is to take the parts off of the wrecked vehicle that arent destroyed/damaged and allowing them to be slotted in elsewhere much more easily
Opinions of him are negative here in the UK as well. In April 2022, 40% of Brits had an unfavourable opinion of him. By August 2024, that had risen to 64%.
I can't even imagine how that he tried to @ the king
If you are not self aware enough to be embarrassed that you are driving a cybertruck do not worry, everyone who sees you driving it is embarrassed for you.
Cybertruck drivers must truly believe that everyone around them is so happy and impressed. As they look in at all other drivers on the road, they all have huge, incredulous smiles on their faces... Of course it's fully because everyone they are seeing is mid laugh when they see the jackass that dropped over $100k on that divorced dad tramp stamp of a car. So people burst out laughing at that rusty death machine that permanently breaks if you take it through the carwash. The owners have trouble reading emotion in faces though, so they must just feel like a million bucks as they arrive home, grab the items they went to pickup at the store (ED meditation and father's day greeting cards they are forging to send to themselves) and the trunk severs their coke pinkie with the long fingernail.
I'd have been game for a cybertruck at $40k, but then he turned it into a rich person toy
"Turned it into" buddy, it never was going to be. Elkins bullshit is just that, bullshit. Was always a bait and switch.
"Just 2 more years..."
Fair - if it looked like that because it was cheap I'd actually find that pretty endearing
I boycotted his crap before he got involved in politics. He’s always been an idiot.
For me it was him calling rescue workers pedophiles because they didn't want to stop their time sensitive rescue efforts to listen to his fantasies about building and deploying a submarine in a tiny underwater cave system.
I think that was the catalyst for a lot of people to realize who this loser actually was.
Does this 25% fall inside the venn diagram of people who can afford / would otherwise be buying Tesla products?
It's not like we are talking about pancake mix, it's $50k+ cars, with the biggest offenders (e.g. cyber truck) being 100k
How many of those are the target demographic for Tesla?
I would not buy a Tesla because of musk, but also because I don't have the need for a car or the income for one.
Plenty. Like, it's only anecdotal but I could buy a Tesla, and am in the market for an EV. A Tesla just isn't even an option to be considered, if for no other reason than how I can't bring myself to give money to the guy.
I was looking at an electric car, decided against it because they are way too expensive. But during my research Tesla was completely out of the question for me because I will never support that piece of shit.
My SO always reminds me how I wanted to buy a Tesla around 2018 and was a big fan of Elon Musk having read his biography. Fortunately or unfortunately he decided to not keep his mouth shut lol. I won’t consider buying Tesla for any reason, even if they start ranking as the best quality built car.
just bought a kia instead of Tesla, also my house came with level 2 CCS
I've had one for over 5 years. I'm not buying another car for about 5 years but its not going to be a Tesla.
I legitimately used to want a Tesla car, long long ago.
My (now) wife had a poster of the Roadster in her bedroom when it was a concept car and she was in her teens. Her parents eventually got a Model S but now they talk about how embarassed they feel driving it around. She must've had that poster from back when Elon was just that balding kid from Paypal lol
Yeah at this point I'd rather get rid of my Tesla, but unfortunately I'm not rich enough to just willy nilly change cars because I don't like the owner of its manufacturer.
Car manufacturers are a weird bunch. Like take Henry Ford for example, total nazi sympathizer. Or Volkwagen, from none other than Mr. Hitler himself.
I'm sure you could sell it and get something cheap and somewhat reliable in its place if you wanted to
An EV that fits a family of four with at least the quality of a Tesla? Yeah I think this would mean I pay about 10Keuros for the change.
Tbh I'd be looking for anything else, electric or not, but to each their own.
Well good on you for being moderately wealthy :)
I'm not, by "anything else" I meant something cheaper
I'm more deterred by the amount of control that Tesla retains over their vehicles after they've "sold" it. But if that wasn't enough, Musk's descent in oligarchic fascism certainly would be.
Musk is clearly bad for the companies he heads. I'm eagerly awaiting the investor lawsuits. The stocks will probably have to dip first, though.
What'd you do??
Open source self driving tech is out there and works in cars from toyota, honda and many other domestic and foreign manufacturers.
Tesla is shit.
Comma.ai?
lol, now ?
Also, only 25%?
Id say at least 25% of the people in the USA would genuinely either say "Who?" or not know/understand why he is relevant.
When it comes to Americans I never underestimate the ignorance level. Of "average" people.
Feels like too little too late, huh.
I mean, there's also the fact that his cars are expensive, and shit.
I would imagine this number is actually higher.
The rest avoid it because they're shit cars
My favorite are the bumper stickers that say "I bought this before I knew what he was like". Seen 3 or 4 now.
It's sad because behind this shitstain of a human being there are a bunch of actually intelligent people making electric cars and rockets who are having their intellect and effort overshadowed by an insufferable man-child.
It’s not just their vehicles. I just bought a ‘24 Ioniq 5, and Hyundai is set to start sending out free adapters to use Tesla Superchargers, but I probably won’t plug into one of those either, because it benefits that moronic man-child oligarch.
Ioniqs are a really great car. If I didn't live in a country where you can get a BYD Seal super cheaply, I'd have gotten an Ioniq.
Other 75% just don't want to spend that much fucking money on a car.
They’re also not good cars. There’s no reason to buy a new one in 2025
Even now I'm pretty sure they have one of the best if not the best drivetrains. The problem is everything else is total trash and you won't be able to fix it if anything goes wrong
That's the thing that sucks. Engine tech is incredible. Everything else is miserably and embarassingly bad. Even if Elmo wasn't such a colossal fucking bigot, I would never consider getting a Tesla for the asking price, or used
What's special about their engine tech? Electric motors are a very mature technology, so I'd like to hear some details about this.
In 2014 I would have if I really needed an EV, but these days I can just get an Audi.
Fair point. I have considered Tesla swapping a Prius because it would be hilarious
Even if they fired Elon tomorrow I wouldn't buy one for this reason. A few years ago they were the only viable option for an electric car, so people overlooked a lot to get one of them. But now there's a ton of electric cars and even more coming out in the future. Why would I go with a company that's had pretty significant issues over one from a company with more experience building cars?
Exactly. There’s no need to tolerate body panel issues, awful interiors, bad QC, lack of replacement parts, and dangerous welds now that I can get a used electric Porsche for a similar price.
Right. Because that's the ONLY reason we aren't buying Tesla shit. It has nothing to do with the cost of everything sky rocketing.
Then that is the reason that you are avoiding them. They know you aren't buying. What's important here is the people that can afford a Tesla but are choosing to look elsewhere because of Elon. This includes repeat customers as well.
You can still blacklist Twitter and any lazy ass 'journalists' that make an article based on a Twitter post and hotlink to said post. Many ways to say fuck Elon Musk
Edit: also Reddit. Fuck spez
Edit: also Facebook. Fuck Zuck. Glad he can finally afford to put pubes on his head tho
I own a 5yo Tesla. I would have upgraded, except for the fact that giving more money to Musk is horrific.
Same, my Model 3 turns 5 years old soon. My original plan was to keep it for at least 8 years until the HV battery warranty expires - but, it has had its first major breakdown in the last 6 months, and although Tesla did manage to fix it I'm now window shopping for a replacement.
I don't think I'll get another Tesla, at least not as the situation stands. If Elon decided to sell it to some unobtrusive billionaire who is content to sit there, shut up and get even richer without meddling in geopolitics - and if they put back the fucking turn signal stalks - then maybe I would consider it, as otherwise the car is easy to live with, pleasant to drive and has acceptable range for what I need - and newer versions will go even further. But, there are a lot of alternatives on the market to consider now as well.
I am sure there is a team of very talented engineers at Tesla, and that they are the reason the company has been as successful as it is, despite the moron in charge of it.
VW ID series looks very promising, all the people I know who have one are pretty happy with it.
I have owned VWs in the past and been pretty happy with them, however, the last reviews I've seen of the ID series indicated there were still some software and build quality issues to iron out.
The front runner for me at the moment is the Polestar 2 - the latest refresh has switched to RWD from FWD and upgraded the motor and battery, which is now 82kWh (about twice the capacity of my current car), and as a result now promises a real world range of somewhere between 200-300 miles depending on conditions - that should be enough to get me from my place to my parents in just about a single charge, whereas currently I need to stop twice en-route.
It's not priced as competitively as a Model 3, but it's probably its nearest competitor at the moment. I'll have to make a call about what I want to do in the next month or two, as there is an upcoming change to vehicle tax over here which would make any EV in this price bracket make less financial sense if purchased after the cutoff date. (Tesla, predictably, have snuck their base level Model 3 in just below this threshold.)
Exactly my situation and feelings, except mine turns just 4 soon. I was considering upgrading to a model X in the past, but as the situation is right now, no way.
It's much better for the environment anyway when you keep it longer. 5y is nothing for an electric car, even if it has multiple hundred thousand kilometers it should be fine.
If you sell to someone, it doesn't change the environmental factor.
Why though? Anything wrong with your car?
I just liked the new one more. Also the vehicle tax will go up on any vehicle bought after April 2025 (in the UK), so there's probably going to be a lot of deals.
Anyway, if I do upgrade it won't be another Tesla.
Cars should last like 20 years…
People are getting used to the idea of Vehicles as A Service and it's *a terrible fucking idea*.
It's ruining cell phones and it'll ruin auto ownership.
I'm trying not to buy a new car in general. If my car (ICE) got totaled, I'd consider a used Model 3 or Y because you can't really beat the bang for your buck, but I'd rather hold out for a used Rivian R2 or R3 in a few years.
Hell no. Not me. Other manufacturers can even charge me a premium for the privilege of not being seen in a Musk vehicle, I'll pay. And if I can't pay, I'll ride the bus. Tesla can fuck right off - new or used.
I'm not quite there, but I get it. I definitely wouldn't get a new one. There are just so few decent EV sedans or hatchbacks that I like in the US market. I guess an Ionic 6 could be a good option. I hate big lumpy cars with oversized hoods and bad visibility, which is basically everything here.
The problem is that it’s not just his politics but it’s the entire business model. Teslas have decent enough range but they also have doors that you can’t open when they ice over in the winter, they’ll lock the doors if there’s a fire, and they’re generally not built to a very high standard.
Removing Musk from the equation they still aren’t somewhere I’d like my body to be, thanks.
Yeah, I have a friend who won't drive with his young kids in the backseat of his Model Y because of the safety concerns of opening the doors if there's an electrical failure.
Look sunk cost and all that but holy shit how does that not prompt them to sell it immediately?!
Due to the way the world is developing .... I never did buy new vehicles before, but now I'm convinced, I will never ever buy any new vehicle ... gas or electric.
I'll drive a used dumpy rusted out car or truck until I can't any more.
100%. New vehicles have so many stupid knickknacks to pretend to be "luxury" that make them break easily and difficult+expensive to fix.
Planned obsolescence ... purposely designing things to break down over a certain amount of time
If I find a vehicle model that lasts a long time, that is a good vehicle to have and hold on to. One of the vehicles I drive is a 2004 Volvo Stationwagon. Everyone pans it and says it looks too plain and dull ... but it has 400,000 km and the interior still looks brand new, minimal problems, minimal maintenance and it actually runs great and lasts forever through Canadian winters.
That and the tracking/data collection. My car is a 2007 (pre-black box) and I repaired nearly everything on it to ensure it will keep functioning soundly. I see no personal value in purchasing a new car at the moment even though I can afford it. I am happy to save that money. Another reason is that anything ICE is insanely complicated and EVs still seem to be finding standards that I am still learning about. Even choosing EV, they still track/collect.
There are a couple vehicles that I love the shapes of and I am sure they'd be fun, but I can't readily accept the dystopian mechanism underneath the gleaming hood.
You could've shutted the fuck up and profited
And Donald Trump could have invested his inheritance and made more money than god, yet look at them now?
That's the problem when people are born on 3rd base. They get to walk it in and think they hit a home run when really they just did what any normal person would've done. Someone else would probably even do it better.
Ludacris display.
Trump was born a foot before home run and now he's on second base thinking he scored a triple.
Finna go to Mexico just to import a BYD or Nio
Yeah I've been pissed off with elon since he turned project redwood into a cash grab.. $37500 is a goddamn ripoff.
The best way to fight the oligarchy is to stop paying them.
You avoid Teslas because of Elon Musk. I avoid Teslas because of security, privacy, and proprietary tech concerns.
We are not the same.
/j
I avoid teslas because I have a white car and I don't want them to crash into me.
I avoid them because they keep bursting into flames/accelerating out of control.
Yeah fuck this guy
Also include Tesla solar on that list. If Tesla can access my cars data and cameras at will, what is keeping them out of my power system?
Their solar systems are also like triple the price of anything else.
75% of americans are selfish assholes.
Planning to sell my model 3 as soon as I get my hands on either an Aptera or a Telo. Or if I win the lottery and get a Lucid.
Is Lucid going to remain in business?
I believe so. They just started shipping their electric SUV with about 450 miles of range and the Saudis keep giving them money. People seem to generally love their cars.
Figured out it won’t drive itself ?
I did find that out but I don't really give 2 shits about FSD. I actually like driving fast cars but I hate Elon. He was kinda bad when I bought the car but then he got so much worse.
You and me both. I got a Model S Refresh back when he was a douche but no worse than most other automaker CEOs. Seriously, look them up, it's wild. One orchestrated his own prison break.
Now he's gone from giant piece of shit to a flaming dumpster full of runny, curry diaper shits and I feel really awkward owning it.
I hate how, when he needs some money, he can just drop a crypto meme coin name somewhere on social media and watch the price go up.
He can then sell all of the coins he undoubtedly bought beforehand and sit back and watch a couple of millions added to his bank account.
He did it a couple of times with doge, and now with kekius.
I'm not smart enough to follow the money for crypto coins, but I'm sure someone could identify one or more whale accounts with suspicious buying and selling moments for these coins as Musk's secret little money factories.
(Or the creation of a couple of thousands of smaller accounts, if he really wanted to conceal his tracks)
The richest person in the world, folks. If most will-paid professionals lost 99% of their money, they would essentially be back to zero. If Musk lost 99% of his money, he would still be one of the world’s billionaires.
He would have thousands of millions of dollars.
Before or after the 99% loss, he could finance his daily life with cheap loans wherever needed. There would be no real effect on his personal life, just on how his professional life and big-boy money score affected his ego.
And yet he fucks around with scamming random followers out of their crypto pennies. That’s hire you know he’s sick or sadistic or both.
He claims America first and then releases newest version of one of his cars to China first.
He's also attempting to put a robotaxi on the roads that WILL kill people in its current iteration, and he's trying to leverage his political spending to ensure that Tesla isn't liable for his death traps.
He's the worst kind of billionaire.
These slime balls have no shame. Now that he has helped fuck up America he is working on doing the same for the UK and Germany.
For me, its more about the fact that I don't trust that unhinged motherfucker to not do a mandatory update in the middle of the highway and disable braking.
I most definitely don't like musk, don't want to support him, and don't have the money to get a car, but the biggest reason I won't even consider getting one is because of their abhorrent safety.
I’ve posted this before, but one of my favorite butterfly effect stories is that the famously under-regulating, and ethically dubious Elaine Chao let Tesla implement new driver control methods while she was Transportation Secretary, and a few years later the same sketchy controls helped to kill her sister (in addition to drunk driving).
I heard 23%
Pretty sure it’s 26%
The problem is how many are still ideologically attracted to him or the MAGA movement and how likely are they to be impulse buyers. Musk already made sure to get the most money he could out of the nerds that would have no problem moving onto competitors once there was legitimate competition. There's legitimate competition, meaning that in order for Musk to continue making the big bucks, he has to appeal to the same sort of market Alex Jones was able to peddle bullshit dietary supplements to.
25% of 800 U.S. citizens surveyed is not indicative of the entire country. Not only that, the original study release here (as far as I could find) doesn't state how or where the survey was conducted.
A survey done in California would be wildly different than one done in Mississippi. That article and this post are ethically dishonest, and the study proves absolutely nothing.
The sample size for a population of 200 million (people in the US minus children and people over 70) with a confidence of 95% and error margin of 5% is below 400.
Surveying 800 people actually brings the error margin down to 3.5%, which is extremely good in terms of applied statistics.
Only if it was a representative sample.
400 people from a single community wouldn't suffice.
True that. I'm assuming whoever did the survey knows what they are doing, but that's not necessarily true, admittedly.
The only thing needed is to add 'surveyed' after the descriptor. Anything else is dishonest.
Do you think any statement which starts "x% of Americans...." Suggests they surveyed every single American alive?
Maybe they should specify "alive" though, because not telling you they're not including past Americans who have died is dishonest.
Yes. 25% of U.S. citizens linguistically means 25% of all U.S. citizens. They don't need to specify alive, because they had to be alive inorder to participate. It is not dishonest in this case because they (the original study) listed the date the survey was conducted and didn't not try to portray an old study as modern.
You're being absurdly literal - 25% of US citizens within the context of a study does NOT linguistically suggest it means 25% of total living US people. The fact that no one else in this thread shares your interpretation shows you completely lack the ability to parse basic comprehension of the English language without taking the absolute most literal path, which given the nuances of the English language, is usually the wrong interpretation.
Hey guys, I found the Tesla fanboy who never took a statistics class.
How does pointing that out make me a fanboy? Interesting you chose to call names and denounce instead of being civil like @[email protected]. Why is that?
I noticed a cybertruck downstairs when I was vaping on a bench. I wrote the word “stupid” on a sticky note when I got back to my desk. If the thing is still there when I go to lunch in 30m, I’ll put it on the driver-side window.
There's cameras everywhere, just so you know.
Please don’t do this. It will have the opposite effect of what you want.
Also the car is literally covered in cameras that are always on, and the owner is likely to be petty.
It was still there when I left for home. I made sure to take my vape breaks out of sight in case the owner was a big meathead with hurt little feeling.
yeah wait until it's frosty out and lick your name on it instead
How many of those 25% have the resources to consider buying one in the first place?
Tech people and bankers know where they stand.
Tesla has “tech”!?!??
They sell average EVs, a bunch of branded meme items, and a stock. No tech.