We'll have plenty of camps to have them sent to by then.
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Hate to break this to you. But let me introduce you to the favorite saying of every Centrist Democrat that gets elected president:
"It is time to heal and move on."
They care more about peace than justice.
i'm reminded of something mlk jr wrote, on a related topic:
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice;
That's a lot of people - they just want things to be quiet and easy for them, and if there's injustice for others they'll just have to live with it.
see the thing though is that "all of this" in the meme is very vague. it could mean a full-on cultural revolution, one where democrats and republicans alike do not exist anymore. I don't think people are really wanting to go back to the status quo, not really. it's obviously infinitely better than christofascism, but people want meaningful change. probably a big reason why Kamala Harris was not so popular, even though I voted for her
Like they did in 2021? Ha.
That's exactly what they did in 2021. Biden appointed a Republican, Merrick Garland, as his attorney general. And Garland sat on his ass for two years without bringing any charges. Only when they were shamed into it by House committee investigations did they actually start to move. By then, it was too late. Trump ran out the clock. They prosecuted Trump to appease the base, but they did so late enough that Trump stood no chance of conviction before the election.
Honestly, I'm surprised that anti-ICE guerrillas still didn't start to appear over the US.
Maybe they have and they don't want to advertise their existence
If such organization acted even once, it would be instantly on the news all over the world.
Don't know if it's an organized group or just a spur-of-the-moment angry mob, but there is this story: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-arrest-mother-video-massachusetts-daughter-b2747948.html
Yeah, if you think the manhunt on Luigi Mangione was over the top, wait until someone takes a shot at an ICE agent 'trying to protect the country from illegal immigrants' or however Trump would frame it.
If anyone wanted to try it, they'd need impeccable opsec, because everyone in law enforcement will be looking for them.
...Except that qualified immunity exists, and you can't make a law and apply it retroactively.
…Except that qualified immunity exists,
Qualified immunity specifically does not apply in cases where someone's clearly established civil rights were violated, though the criteria for that is specific. Further, it applies only to civil cases, not criminal cases. It may certainly help them in some instances, but it's not going to be a blanket shield.
1 Was a constitutional right violated?
2 Was the right clearly established at the time of the alleged violation?
https://www.justia.com/civil-rights/government-violations-of-civil-rights/qualified-immunity/
Under this doctrine, government agents—including but not limited to police officers—can never be sued for violating someone’s civil rights, unless they violated “clearly established law.” While this is an amorphous, malleable standard, it generally requires civil rights plaintiffs to show not just a clear legal rule, but a prior case with functionally identical facts.
In other words, it is entirely possible—and quite common—for courts to hold that government agents did violate someone’s rights, but that the victim has no legal remedy, simply because that precise sort of misconduct had not occurred in past cases.
While yes, IANAL, I'm exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren't being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump, in many, many circumstances.
I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump,
Given that what's happening is absolutely unprecedented, I'm pretty sure that there aren't any specific court cases dealing with that kind of shit that's going on right now. Do I WANT all ICE agent to have severe legal consequences for this, if we ever have an election again? Absolutely. But fuck it, I'll settle for some extrajudicial rendition to the Mariana Trench.
The ocean is filthy enough as it is without tossing more into it.
Send them to the sun.
I fully agree, but.. this ain't no shit post.
You're right. Looks like we were the shit post all along.
The real shitpost was the friends we made along the way 😌
The real post is the shits we took along the way.
The real shits we posted yesterday
Cross posted shits, every day
And saved the rest of the shits for another day.
It is because ice agents are fucking piece of shits. Not even worthy of being called shits more like the stain left over.
Yet this post is being upvoted. These communities are just AI slop and Political rants now. Rip.
Yeah…that would be cool but…this country isn’t big on accountability.
Yep, the lesser Bush and Trump I shows that Democrats are not interested in punishing crimes committed by Republicans.
That's because US politics is so unhealthy that political persecution is only a step away. They rather let one "no longer relevant asshole" go than risk pocking that hornets nest.
I mean the voters are the accountability. Seems like the right show up with weapons and plan A, B, and C that they have organised for the past year.
The left show up with knowledge of how to get arrested. And it's getting frustrating to watch. We need to start asking ourselves why they do things at can't muster half the strength for
The left falls apart, the right falls in line
Are you talking about libs? They're right-wing.
There is almost zero leftism in the core of empire. It's literally the goal of hegemonic narrative (schools, media, politicians, etc) to obscure and misrepresent leftism.
It's more about randomly robbing and murdering people for having the wrong skin tone.
Please promise to yourself right now that we will not let them be forgiven. We will not let whatever centrist Democrats convince us to "move forward" and "let us heal". These officers need to be given Nuremberg Trials. If we get control of this government, EVERY one of these ICE agents who raided or abducted even one person, get sent to prison. I hope for life.
I don't care if they have kids, lovers, parents, friends, grandkids. After these years there will be people dead, permanently traumatized, and permanently disabled.
Be it Constitutional or vigilante, justice will be served.
If only the universe worked that way
i like when people say these, but when communists did it we twisted it
If history is any precedent I think ICE agents will pivot to claiming anti-communism as a defense and be just fine.
The leaders will get nice cushy jobs in Israel as consultants.
I'm sorry. does anyone really believe that?
"in the interest of not causing division we will offer an amnesty to all personnel who assumed orders they got were lawful"
No one said that we were relying on the government to carry out justice.
It's going to have to be different this time. We let them slide after the Revolution, the Civil War, and WWII, and it has led directly to the mess we are in now.
If we survive this, it will be imperative that there are harsh punishments for ALL leaders, and all middle management. Street level traitors may not end up in prison, but they should be forced to go to political remediation classes, where they will be properly taught about the Constitution, American History, and Critical Thinking Skills. Recalcitrant "students" can have their sentences commuted to long prison sentences if they'd prefer.
Well, the new Constitution by then at least.
To be honest if Kamela Harris won, I could have seen her or Biden "Pardoning Trump to let the nation heal"
The agents that abused their authority need to be punished, but I would be more interested in punishing the people in power that enabled this mess or ignored what was going on.
Please both.
We should carve maga on their foreheads
I'd settle for fair prosecution using the body of US law that existed up to the inauguration of Trump47.
Wouldn't it just inaugurate him again?
Yes but we can dream
There wasn't fair prosecution of law enforcement pre trump. That's not all because of Trumpistan. You all are so delusional.
I didn't suggest there was, but I've rephrased my point about as many times as I'm willing to already.
I’m guessing whoever made this doesn’t know much about Operation Paperclip.
Pretty sure the fascists in ICE aren't the intellectual types who have anything to offer for scientific programs.
Ah yes that old doctrine... Reward the intelligent nazis, punish the dolts.
"Intellectual" is a bit of a stretch, because sure many had degrees, but a lot of the "science" they did was just literal torture with ko scientific method or even recorded results. I have trouble calling that actual science.
Von Braun was part of operation paperclip, and we definitely got an actual scientific benefit from bringing him to the US.
Mouth-breathing thugs aren't exactly scientific geniuses though.
If we survive this, I absolutely plan to shame them into non-existence.
How can you shame that which is shameless?
"That is not ashamed which can eternally lie,
And with strange aeons even shame may die"
Shame them now or we may not survive this.
Well, I'm not white so I may also get deported to El Salvador.
Damn, I'm neither white nor male, so same here.
I hope they learn it before this is all over.
WALLS are being chosen
Why not, it helped for many nazis after the second world war. Many got convicted, but also many didn't.
Soviets had the better idea, they weren't taking any prisoners
It literally worked for 99.999% of Nazis. We only hung some of the top brass. And then we took the smartest ones and gave them great lives at NASA.
Not only did it work for the Nazis, it the police already have laws on the books for this purpose
It's pronounced "Ich habe nur Befehle befolgt"
Thought they had qualified immunity?
Qualified immunity specifically does not apply in cases where someone's clearly established civil rights were violated, though the criteria for that is specific. Further, it applies only to civil cases, not criminal cases. It may certainly help them in some instances, but it's not going to be a blanket shield.
https://www.justia.com/civil-rights/government-violations-of-civil-rights/qualified-immunity/
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/insights-on-law-and-society/volume-21/issue-1/qualified-immunity/
While yes, IANAL, I'm exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren't being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump, in many, many circumstances.
Oooo that's cool
IANAA (I am not an American)
Anyone who's hasn't lived under a rock the past decade knows clearly established means practical impunity.
Reported in Politico
From Reason
Court standards are so strict, nearly any meaningless, incidental difference suffices to grant officials cover of qualified immunity: literally the difference between lying down & sitting is all it takes to violate rights with impunity.
I'm not a defender of the concept of Qualified Immunity, my point is that it's not an absolute shield. Even if it successfully shielded them from 100% of civil rights cases (which it objectively has not) it provides no protection from criminal charges.
I won't argue against the idea that it covers them far more than can be rationally defended, I'm just* saying it's not an absolute shield, *and (in my opinion) there is every reason to imagine that the specific group we are discussing here will routinely violate the rights of the people they detain in such an egregious fashion as to satisfy even that narrow range of criteria in a higher than you might expect number of civil cases once this is all said and done.
Objectively, the planets sometimes align, too: the odds are highly against it.
Also exceedingly rare: we've only seen any decent prosecution recently.
It's likely to fail.
While that fight should continue, society has more mundane tools to ostracize & make people's lives hell.
This is one of those things that can never be forgiven. There were so many instances of abuse of power.
Too many to not notice
So you are talking about the agents removing illegal people from the country
As a cishet white male in the USA, anyone afraid of being "replaced" should actually be replaced. Net positive for the country.
You don’t even understand , what you are saying. But ok
Just so we're clear, this isn't Truth Social or X. Folks only engage with the bigots and racists here for fun. When it's done being fun you just get blocked. If that's an entertaining way for you to conduct yourself online, go right ahead.
I have found it is useless trying to have discourse with them. I just meow at them. It’s fun and confuses them.
It’s ok, take deep breaths and relax ok, it’s going to be all ok
Shut up, dimwit. They're illegally kidnapping people that are protected by American law.
Wake the fuck up and learn the facts.
And that was not what I was asking, was it. When Obama deported 3000000 people, where were your camps then. And if people are removed illegally yes that is wrong. But I am to shut up.
The truth is forbidden on the far left, just as it is on the far right. You’re wasting your time explaining.
Yes you are correct, but sometimes I do hope there is someone there. That realize it’s ok to think another way. That is after all, that got the human race were we are today.
If you ever want to see if you're on the right side of history, just look at your words:
"Illegal people" is a vile concept.
Well change the constitution and name them what ever you want.
Please cite in the constitution where it calls anyone “illegal.”
Also cite anywhere it states that the rights laid out in the constitution apply specifically to citizens only.
Even if you were to concede that point, which to be clear, I absolutely do not, due process must be extended to everyone in order to know who is a citizen and who is not.
A person cannot be “illegal.”
But they can be ignorant, bigoted, and hateful. Obviously.
Maybe we should lend less credence to a law making certain people illegal that was passed while the Nazis controlled Germany.
And immigrants here legally as well. And because they're ignoring due process and habeas corpus, I have no doubt, citizens who committed no crime soon (they've already kidnapped citizens and looted citizens homes, but haven't exiled citizens yet, AFAIK).
Edit: Forgot. Yes, they have already started kidnapping and exiling citizens who are minors.
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