Feddit.onlineAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez Warns Trump Admin If They ‘Lay a Finger’ on Members of Congress ‘We Are Going To Have a Problem’
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Ocasio-Cortez took to Instagram after the Department of Homeland Security suggested they may pursue arrests of three Democratic lawmakers who partook in a protest outside of an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey. Reps. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ), Rob Menendez (D-NJ) and LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) all attended the protest.
Yes they will.
You should already have a problem.
How many red lines have been crossed now? I like AOC but the Democrats and Congress aren't going to do shit if they haven't already.
Seven red lines. All of them strictly perpendicular. Some with green ink and some with transparent.
That video gave me an aneurysm.
Trust me, I'm an expert!
5-D chess requires red surfaces and a few lines.
The problem is the old fart democrats and a few DINOs combine to make it so there just isnt enough of a voting block to actually make anything happen. It sucks right now but the whole point of congress is to require a majority consensus in order to pass legislation. Frankly the fact is it was structurally designed to be slow because the founders of the constitution were tired of King George and now we're bearing witness to what happens when we need it to respond.
and shes like only 1 person, other than crockett, and maybe tim is doing anything different. all the other dnc do not want to lose thier seats, and or the grift train the gop has been living off of.
Nah, fuck this sentiment. Force a vote and be loud about every law that they break. If there's a contingency of congress that are going to be obtuse about resisting fascism, then they can face the disgruntled mass of voters in the next election. If Dickhead Durbin hadn't already decided he's not going to run for reelection I'd be voting him and Tammy Duckworth out for compromising on Republican policies. Instead I'll only get the pleasure of voting against Tammy in the primaries.
I used to like her, but she's seemingly going career politician and is voting with lobbyists instead of advocacy groups and all her public statements are just talk. She's becoming what she got into politics to prevent..
I'm not saying you're lying, or wrong, but could you provide examples?
The "Take it Down" act. She voted with the party line despite warnings.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws
https://www.techdirt.com/2025/04/28/congress-moving-forward-on-unconstitutional-take-it-down-act/
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2025/roll104.xml
This is one of the few valid criticisms I can think of. Like, I can get why she'd consider the legislation, considering the myriad of deepfakes made about her (which has got to feel…particularly violating on top of the non-sexual harassment and attention people have put on her since she, basically, first got elected) but there are really valid concerns about the legislation, particularly in the context of this administration.
And I don't remember her, at least, even addressing those concerns and potential abuses of the law.
I'll say they're lying and wrong for you.
She started losing me a few years ago, when claiming to be a socialist & pro-union, she voted to make it illegal for railroad workers to strike. Pro-union until their collective action might make life a little inconvenient, then knock their teeth out for the capitalists.
I haven't really kept track of her since then.
Not left enough for you?
Who is?
You say that like it's a trap card.
Nobody in office right now is. The system will not tolerate it, and is built to keep them at the fringes.
No it’s what makes progressives impotent they spend more time purity testing each other instead of doing anything.
No, what makes progressives appear impotent is they are fighting an asymmetric war against a much more well funded opponent.
They do. They can’t do anything through Congress, but they’re helping the ACLU get the cases through the courts. If they go after a member of Congress, that member can personally press charges on the administration. That is her point.
And then it gets escalated to the fascist Supreme Court and dismissed.
Law is a dead end.
That’s far from the norm. SCOTUS has upheld far more lower court rulings than overturned.
https://archive.is/2025.05.08-094244/https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-lawsuits-against-trump-administration/
The ones that don't matter to the regime are upheld so Democrats keep thinking the Courts will save them and they keep wasting time in legal battles instead of organizing in other ways. The ones that Trump actually cares about are overturned.
No, doomerism is
I believe in the power of organized strikes combined with mass protests. That's what works and what forces Courts rule in our favor. That's hardly being a doomer.
You just don't want to have to do anything.
Weird things to say to someone that you don't know anything about. You aren't spying on me because you wouldn't say that, so I'm going to chalk it up to unfounded accusation, maybe to try and feel better?
You clearly want to wait around for the Courts to solve everything so you don't have to do anything. I don't know you, but I know your type. The only political actions you have ever taken are voting, signing petitions, and maybe donating. All stuff that requires no effort and carries no risk.
But they're totally thinking of planning to maybe someday look into building a guillotine!
Nah, they're going to call everyone else not doing that an enemy while continuing to do nothing at all, of not actually helping MAGA like they did during the election!
It's a figure of speech. She's aware.
Ma'am, with the greatest and utmost possible respect, the rest of the world submits that you people already have several problems.
I'll radicalize with her.
AOC reminding Americans how to be brave. Penny auctions were a thing, which implied Americans used to be able to stand up to corrupt oligarchs and monied interests. Where is that solidarity and sentiment now? Do Americans need to be poor again altogether in order to rise up?
The key to the penny auction was intimidating speculators and outside interests from scooping up property being auctioned away.
Good luck intimating a Blackrock agent at a sheriff's auction in the modern United States. You're not going to scare off a trillion dollar oligarch and a paramilitary police state with pitchforks
Now they would have the auctions online, and there would be no opportunity to intimidate them.
Sigh, have Luigi taught you nothing?
So you think being first against the wall is a better alternative, good luck with that buddy, keep up the good fight, or don’t,pretty pathetic outing on your part if I do say so
What exactly would you be doing, tough guy?
What I do is none of your concern which you say you’re going to do online and out in public is all of mine, please keep your scope focused
The people of Worcester, Massachusetts prove that the powers-that-be should not be feared.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/fed-up-crowd-in-massachusetts-swarms-ice-agents-attempting-to-arrest-mother/ar-AA1EttWd
https://whdh.com/news/hundreds-rally-for-release-of-woman-arrested-by-ice-in-worcester/
The dad, the mom, and the daughter were all still brutally arrested and taken into custody. The actions of the crowd did nothing. I guess it's a good example to show how we're powerless to stop any of this, so thanks for that.
if they were serious about fighting back, those agents wouldn't have won. we can't wait until they're at our door. wars are not won be reacting. we have to be the hunters.
Blackrock agent at a sheriff's auction? That's cute you think you would even get that opportunity in the days of online auctions. How exactly are you supposed to intimidate someone bidding on the internet thousands miles away?
You can discuss all you want, they can be members of Congress or what ever but unfortunately we don't have a Congress and we are already in a dictatorship, even if you brand it as fascism. I saw the video posted by Hasan Piker. If you listen carefully the question he was asked to answer by customs agents it shows we're in a dictatorship.
AOC 2028. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
She's great- but she's not the revolutionary leader you need to do what's necessary. She's the person you need AFTERWARD to pick up the pieces.
Why not?
Fun to think about, but American males are not ready for a strong female presence in their lives. They can't handle it.
I would love for AOC to show the world her fire and Americans some grace. Not going to happen with the lot in America right now sadly.
I don't know if American men are ready for it, but neither Harris nor Clinton were strong presidential candidates, and not because of their gender.
They weren't, but they were a hell of a lot stronger than Trump. And Biden for that matter.
The reality is there's clearly a double standard in how Americans - both male and female - view women as candidates. Look at how they attacked Kamala for having a monogamous relationship with Willie Brown while Trump cheated on 3 spouses and sexually assaulted somewhere between 1 and 25 people.
Does anyone think there's a chance that a woman who was caught cheating on her spouse could get elected? And it's not just sex stuff, the way opinions and mannerisms are scrutinized is different too. There's 100x as many ways for a woman to be cringe as a man.
That's a bunch of bs. It was sexism, pure and simple.
Clinton was an accomplished lawyer and accomplished civil servant in her own right, having spent her entire life in service. As former first lady, she had exclusive access to the inner machinations of the presidency (I'm not saying that being the spouse of an elected leader alone qualifies one for that position (see Republicans' voting for dead candidates and swapping the deceased's spouse in after the election)), but rather adds to the cumulative total. She was also the head of the state department.
And because of a successful attack at a foreign embassy in a hostile nation, that became a millstone around her neck that trumpers bashed her for, capping off an otherwise stellar career.
Against that orange buffoon, on paper, she should have mopped the floor with his toupe'
Harris was VP, senator, Attorney General. She didn't have the cv of Clinton, but she was a woman, and she had a foreign sounding name. I worked as an election inspector (not the jackoff people who challenge voter's ability to vote, but the people who conduct the election at the local jurisdiction level). The election room as a smallish town hall, and many couples came in to vote together. The amount of people who were speaking loud enough to be overheard saying things like: "never vote for a woman" or making referring to "white pride" was shockingly scarry. They wanted to be heard.
Why, yes, I live in a racist, misogynistic hellhole - how'd you guess?
Personally, I don't think we should allow any men to be president. Just of think of how absurd it is. We keep electing a bunch of testosterone-addled rage junkies to be in charge of the nuclear button. Men are just too emotional to be president, or even leaders in general. They're just as likely to take off their pants and start waiving their dicks at each other as they are to come up with something that even meets the definition of "policy." Electing a man a leader is like electing a rabid inbred gorilla hopped up on PCP as a leader.
Men belong in the home. That's their rightful place. That way they don't have to spend too much time seeing other men, which only inspires rage reflexes in them. You let two men meet and they start beating their chests and trying to assert dominance over each other, usually while stripping off clothing and pulling out firearms. Men have no place in politics, business, or any field that really matters. Men should be kept in the home where they can't do too much damage.
But a man as president? Comically absurd. Literal clown world. How could such irrational, angry, emotionally fragile beings ever be elected a leader?
How can you trust someone who doesn’t bleed for their country once a month?
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None of those people were ever going to vote Democrat
Both were trying to cater to people on the fence and lost the vote of people further left in that pursuit...
And still didn't get the people on the fence.
Michelle Obama would have destroyed Trump. The dems chose to lose.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/
Hillary also had to contend with Bernie as her opponent in the primary, a much more beloved candidate who polled better than both her and Trump, and was also handicapped by the Dems running a crooked primary by saying that they didn't have to and would never pick Bernie as the candidate, even if he won the primary. She also called herself a "Goldwater girl" during the campaign, a man who ran for President on segregation as a campaign promise. People also had a negative view of her because she's a Clinton, and there was a bit of dissatisfaction with "political dynasties" after the Bush era.
And Harris ran a campaign that tried to appeal to conservative voters with promises such as building the wall on the Mexican border and campaigning with Cheney, which caused her to immediately begin losing percentages in the polls amongst independent voters. She also has a legacy of questionable actions against minorities of color during her time in California, which I saw a number of people criticizing.
Not to say that sexism and racism didn't play a part because oh my God, even here in liberal Massachusetts I see that shit. But they also did the usual Democrat campaign strategy of not appealing to their base because they were courting a mythical moderate conservative voter that doesn't exist, and that's a losing strategy. Dems fall in love, Republicans fall in line. AOC is so popular because she speaks to the issues that people have, and she does so passionately.
Despite that, I unfortunately remain unconvinced that she could pull out a presidential victory because of the aforementioned racism and sexism that's so prevalent in this country. As someone wiser than me once said, racism is so American that when you criticize it, people think that you're criticizing America.
The idea that they lost only because of sexism is the most delusional shit I've ever fucking heard, oh my God
Please tell me these are bot accounts because otherwise wow I agree that is truly brain worms level stuff
Clinton was part of the Clinton Crime Family and Harris was a cop. Terrible choices.
Clinton Crime family? Lmao. Clinton's are street thugs compared to the Trump Crime family.
Yeah but the Democratic base is less likely to turn out for criminals than the Republican base.
Oh I am NOT denying that hahaha
it was soely sexism, the fact you dont think that means your also kinda sexists too.
Spreading the delusional belief that it was solely sexism is sexist because it discourages people from voting for a woman.
Clinton and Harris were both absolutely shitty candidates. AOC is not, and can rally a huge segment of voters who previously stayed home.
Male here. Hillary was probably the worst female option who's ever ran for president.
Kamala wasn't much better, and felt like a rush job to prevent Biden being an easy sweep.
Not that I'm advocating for trump in either case. I'm just saying its like the old south park joke of douche vs turd sandwich.
Only difference is that AOC is actually a good choice. Whereas Hillary and Kamala were never good choices.
I would fully support an AOC run. I would vote FOR AOC. Whereas with Hillary and Kamala it felt like it was voting against trump by selecting "whoever the opposition is".
Which for the record, isn't a gender thing. Biden was also "not trump" on the ballots in 2020. You didn't vote FOR Biden. You voted AGAINST trump.
Hillary likely would have made a great moderate president. She was a "bad choice" only because Fox News attacked her for 20 years.
Downvotes but she was a cool hippy chick once. Neoliberal was the game she chose to play and it might have worked if she played more on the radical side
Disagree. I think that the failures of Harris and Clinton have a lot more to do with campaign and messaging failures than they do with the fact that they're women. We're living a populist moment, and the democrats want to rise to that with "noooo lmao everything's fine, you're not actually struggling at the grocery store shut up lol. Nooo we can't offer a real policy platform to vote for, just vote against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we'll blame you)."
They're GOING to fuck this up in 2028 if we even have elections, and they're not going to let anyone stop them from fucking it up, not even AOC or David Hogg. Right now, Gavin Newsom is leaning hard into giving himself a republican-lite glow-up so that he can run the Newsom/Pence ticket in 2028 and try to peel off a whole six moderate republicans. Their campaign platform will be:
Bulldoze the homeless (now with BIGGER dozers!)
shut up, don't worry about it, just keep voting against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we'll blame you)
You need to rephrase that as “falsely ex-MAGAt American males who will immediately vote Republican next election despite claiming they were moving a sub from it for our sympathy and so they wouldn’t face the consequences they deserve” aren’t ready…
This misogynist BS is soooo tired. Michelle Obama would have easily crushed Trump. But the dems serve capital better by losing.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/
This take is SO dumb, did you completely ignore that Hilary won the popular vote?
Congrats? Still didn't win the election, which is all that matters here.
Hell, plenty of American women aren't either.
My brain has a conniption whenever I try to see how women could vote against other accomplished successful women, their own interests, and instead for a misogynistic ugly orange rapist. Like I’m done trying to understand the stupidity. 🙄
The same way poor people keep voting for right wing parties
Stupidity in some cases, but indoctrination in a lot of cases.
People are downvoting you, and as much as I would like it to not be true, you are right. There's too many male dems I've talked to that didn't vote for Kamala because she was a woman. It was shocking, and disappointing to say the least.
So I can't, in good conscience, downvote you, because you're not wrong, as much as I don't like it.
Edit: I also should have expected people also downvoting me just because they don't like the message. I don't like it either, but downvoting me does not make it less true. I voted for Hillary and Kamala and campaigned for them both, so don't downvote me just because I'm the messenger of observations about shitty behaviors I've encountered among my fellow dems.
What a sweeping generalization!
Maybe stop with the strawman argument and you'd get a bit further. Myself, and I'm sure plenty of others, are really sick of being painted as a villain before even entering the conversation. All you're doing is furthering the divide, not shortening it.
I see it all over Lemmy - angry liberals painting the opposition as vile and inhuman. Making all these strawman up. Makes other liberals not want to associate with you. Makes you seem just like the people you vilify.
You want a society of love and acceptance? Start with yourself. Create a happy accepting vibe around yourself and make it grow from there. But don't salt the ground and then wonder why nothing grows.
Edit: hey geniuses downvotting me and calling me conservative scum: I'm a registered Democrat. Thanks for proving my point with more strawmen. You assume that if someone disagrees with you they're immediately a MAGA Nazi instead of someone who legitimately disagrees with your methods and actions. You taint the discourse just as much as your opposition.
Yeah no, ICE deported a four year old with stage four cancer.
If you support the felon rapist who’s spent every single decade of his life an entitled shit destroying as many fucking lives as he could…
Nah, if you voted for Trump that is the same in my book as supporting Hitler. Supporting Trump makes you a fascist, and there is only one cure for fascism.
Another great strawman. I'm a registered Democrat. Thank you for proving my point. Because only a conservative could disagree with you /s
You’re not even providing arguments to straw man bruv, you’re just sealioning here.
And yet when told I disagree with you you immediately go off about maga Nazis. That's your strawman. You can't stop foaming at the mouth about it while other Democrats are trying to have an actual conversation with you. Some of you are just as rabid as the people you hate.
Nah
your comment is exactly what conservatives say " if you argue against a conservative than you are no better than they are" get over yourself.
Nah, I'm a liberal getting sick of my own party and people for being hypocritical themselves.
Do you want to stand for something or win elections and progress? I dont care about race or sex, just like you don't, but that's not the reality of America today.
I'll chose having values and standing for something, yes.
I like the fantasy and I wish that's where we were at, but please just give me a boring middle aged white guy. The people who love AOC the most apparently just aren't going to show up at the polls in numbers. It's a problem we've been talking about since I was the one not voting and we were blaming it on the way they treated green party candidates (I know, probably even longer). There's a new excuse every few years, but there always is one and it doesn't look like it's changing any time soon.
Please, let's throw the old people a bone and give them an easy choice so we all don't have to suffer again. I hate having to think about 'electable' too, but let's just do that astronaut guy they were pushing for Harris' running mate, they'd love that guy.
We just had a boring middle aged white guy and he spent his entire abandoned campaign pushing for genocide. Dems never learn basic humanity.
Middle aged is a helluva stretch for Biden.
I wouldn't call Biden "middle aged".
Cite your sources here
I feel like those people are never going to vote though. The communists and socialists will be too busy going on about bourgeoisie this and that and won't be satisfied unless Marx himself is running because no one else is good enough. And the anarchists will go going "why should I take this opportunity to fight fascists if I'm not getting my perfect anarchist utopia out of it? Don't vote, it'll go against your perfect idealism." Just like they did this last time around.
I think that Bernie Sanders showed us that people who don't have ideological sticks up their asses will be willing to vote for something better that gets us all a little bit closer to utopia, even if it's not perfect yet. And as a non-American, I think AOC has that same infectious energy. But of course, as a non-American, I might also be underestimating how much Americans hate women and brown people.
Why doesn’t she already have a problem? I was hoping AOC would be leading the charge, but she’s more like a background character.
This screams “it doesn’t matter until it’s me.”
That's a good threat, but what happens when nobody backs it up? You just know that establishment Dems will sit it out and people are not going to do anything. So what then?
If he does that, all solutions should be on the table. Including second amendment solutions.
stop pushing the goal post... 2a solutions were more than justified 2 two weeks after the clown took over the circus
Yeah I can't help but read this headline and think "the line they crossed" was kidnapping people and shipping them off to a Salvadoran concentration camp. Who gives a fuck if they're representatives, we're supposed to be a democracy.
That's part of the problem with the people of the USA... when a republican does something evil, you guys twist in pretzels to justify it is not quite THAT evil... when someone stands up against evil (I am not going to say Democrats to that but in this case AOC is standing up and she happens to be a democrat) then all the "yes but..." comment start
This is how I see it:
The USA was circling the drain for at least a few decades and now it has been flushed (flushed, it's done, you are now in the sewer)
You now have a small (very small) window to save yourselves from starting WWIII which is the logical outcome when the US economy collapses (they are not going to suddenly say "hey we were wrong" and take it)
You should fight not just because it is morally compulsory but because you will suffer greatly personally. If you wait to be in pain (no job, no house, etc) it will be too late, you are already almost too late
You need to stop cherry picking the very few people you have that seem to have the bravery and/or smarts to fight back somehow. An imperfect ally is NOT an enemy
You need to JOIN the fight
Ok so co bread passes something but what difference will it make. Trump and Co are breaking laws left and right with no consequences. They’re taking bribes, ignoring Judge’s ruling and there are no consequences.
It’s a a joke at this point.
By who? Whose going to do that?
You and me, brother.
You. You, the people. Canada is doing it with boycotts which are deeply hurting the US. We didn't have to be told to do it. Nobody organized. We just did it.
There is nobody coming to save you so you have to do it yourselves.
Right, but what do you see everyday?
I can go on multiple social media sites now and find nothing but right leaning sentiment everywhere I go. I go on Facebook and it's filled with Incel groups, local community groups where there are daily posts reminding people of the latest left wing hypocrisy, there's are discords filled with kids sharing memes and ideas to fuck with the left. They are actively participating in the modern world and shaping and spreading their ideas and issues.
The left are absent. We have Lemmy. Barely. The idea of getting shit done is a bullshit protest in Cincinnati nobody cares about. We tell each other to stop engaging people online with our ideas and messages because it's pointless.
FFS you all still think that "Nazi" and "fascists" are sick burns. That's a 40 year old name Republicans have always been called and it's not exactly accurate so it has no sticking power. We're outdated and outworked. The left is fucking dead in the water. That's no effort. There's no content being created. There's no organizing. There's no support for anything. There's no awareness for how to spread anything.
So when you say "you" what do you think is actually going to change here because we have a serious problem of not organizing and not engaging and not addressing why we are ineffective. Protests haven't done shit for decades. Considering how much there has been vs how much change has occurred. There's no adaptation to the new world. You'd think with all these artists and comedians and brains the left claim there are we'd be more effective.
it's long past time for violent solutions but we are all talk.
Don't speak for others
I've seen 1 violent solution this past year, and that wasn't even in relation to the fascist, but to a corrupt capitalist pig hvor profited from other people's suffering. The left in the USA are all talk.
i'll do whatever the fuck i want.
2a is for "white" people. That's how we got here.
Oh a big problem!? Like what exactly? What are going to do against a group of people who laugh at the supreme court and dont follow court orders? All they can do is send a strongly worded letter and say "Shame shame". We are already a dictatorship these other branches have no power other than for optics.
Guillotine?
These are dems... She's probably going to throw some wicked shade. Perhaps a sarcastic clap? Devastating!
So many. The people on the left are gutless and ineffective.
You're way past the point of being able to do anything. Maybe some more protests would have helped. They were super effective.
We still talk about the clown convoy. Yet nobody can make one of the left's protests even though there is one a week.
And now people can't help but say the left can't do anything because...... They don't want to.... Because it's already a dictatorship.... Because .. Because... Because.
Meanwhile the right are marching in the streets armed and beating the shit out of drag performers at brunch. They're communicating and organizing on Twitter and Reddit and Facebook. It's just so asymmetrical the amount of effective effort, actions and behaviors one side is able to muster over the other.
AOC is right and should have support by people showing up and making the government eat their words. This is authoritarianism. But nobody is out there putting the work in. It's a heading, an article then it disappears into the ether only for us to react to the next news headlines tomorrow. Nobody is making anything stick and that's on us.
The left is toothless and scared always has been. They live with the thought they can't do they it's illegal. And then the right says fuck you and does it and the left gasps and clutches their pearls. The right is vastly more organized and willing to fight for what they want then the left.
And it is why they are winning and we'll continue to win.
This isn't a tenant of 'the left' but rather of liberalism.
Deference to law, police and morals that adhere to the legality of action are liberal brain rot, only the left in so far as the right is fascism.
Being on the left often carries pacifist sentiment but deference to legality and unwillingness to act is a liberal tendency.
There are going to be so many furrowed brows.
I hope they don’t need to write another Strongly Worded Letter!
I’m honestly more mad at the Dems at this point for just continuing to do nothing while the right runs roughshod over the law and the people.
except you got enablers like schumer and hakeem bending the knee to the megadonors.
As long as they are Pro-Israel, Schumer will gleefully bend the knee.
They are behaving exactly like controlled opposition, at this point I could care less about how much they actually are or aren't controlled opposition, what matters is their action or rather lack of it is catastrophic.
pretty much are dinos at this point, alot of them wouldnt get voted otherwise.
You can't defeat an enemy that you refuse to fight.
I'm sure the Democrats will take every legal avenue available to them. However, if they run out of legal, nonviolent options, they're going to be in a very rough spot because they don't have any other arrows in their quiver.
Its the DNC, not the IRA. What else do you expect from them?
Very little.
I don't expect AOC and her octogenarian colleagues to strap on an assault rifle and go full commando, but they do need to recognize what the Republicans are already well aware of: not all conflicts can be resolved peacefully.
The Republicans are more than willing to use all tools at their disposal to achieve their goals. If the Democrats are not, then they are putting themselves at a severe disadvantage.
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I understand why the Democrats want to try to resolve conflicts peacefully. No reasonable person wants violence. However, what the Democrats perceive as compromise is actually often appeasement. The Republicans use the threat of violence to extort the Democrats, and the Democrats often concede because they don't feel like they have any other choice. But appeasement does not prevent violence, it only delays it. The only real solution is the destruction of the extortionists.
To give a fuck about the rest of us
I expect them to continue working alongside and collaborating with overt fascists. Always has been.
Americans in a literal fascist state be like: This is literally fascism
they’re trapped in a Cassandra‑like tautology: forewarning what has already come to pass
If the bar has to be that high given everything they have already done, then perhaps you are living in an oligarchy.
After watching that video, there already is a problem. Assaulting an elected official is a felony and the ICE officer that did this needs to be up on charges.
What? You don't have a problem already? Stop drawing lines. They've already crossed enough of them.
Look for a video Hasan Piker posted on IG. He explains that customs agents ask him if he had ever said anything wrong against Trump. That's a sign we're already in a dictatorship. You can call it fascism but it's a dictatorship where you can't say anything wrong against the supreme leader or you get punished for it. CBP agents asking if someone has ever said anything against Trump is a sign of dictatorship.
Absolutely. I feel like it reminds me of some dystopian show, asking people on their visit if they've engaged in anti-XYZ person activities etc.
Hasan is a scumbag for his worship of russia, but he is right this time. This is a dictatorship, and it's spreading fast.
I’m so ready for the problem. Pleeeease let me be a problem on these evil Nazi Republicans.
Bring your nunchucks
"suggested" they "may pursue"... wow. Did they fire six shots or only five? Y'know, in all that excitement, I kinda lost track myself.
This is trump's final chance before he gets SLAMMED.
But mayors are totally kidnappable?
https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/newark-immigration-baraka-ice-arrest-w02968
Time to surround the detention center, block all roads surrounding it, and stop anyone from entering and leaving until he and all those illegally held are released.
If you come for my constituents, stop no...
If you come for our mayors, that's unfortunate.
Threaten our governors? So sad, horrible, can nothing be done?
Come for me? We're going to have a problem.
None fo the Dems are going to do shit until they come for them directly, a year after it's too late to do shit.
dude we should all be rioting at this point. shit is so fucked.
The oligarchs have the population exactly where they want them to be: poor, unhealthy, divided and unable to mount a concrete unified resistance.
the whole US population has been indoctrinated to believe non-violent action is effective and the only thing thats acceptable. fucking strange for a country that is so hardcore 2a.
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Which is cool and all, but fascism has never been beaten in a peaceful manner. Fascists don't give a shit about how peaceful or honorable you are. They'll strip you of your rights, imprison anyone who disagrees, and murder the people they don't like.
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What makes you think you have to kill people? Why not just sink their yachts, burn their planes and homes? Dox them. Shut down airports with drones -- nationally. Burn their warehouses, datacenters, factories. Hack their computers and steal their money. Etc... etc...
Americans are so indoctrinated that they think killing is the natural next progression of peaceful protests.
Humiliating them is much more damaging to their stupid movement.
John Brown would disagree.
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Republicans successfully storm the Capitol and split the country Extremely successful. Trump's fascist approach and his supporters are also very successful.
You so " how do you think something like that is successful! Peace Dude here some flowers please be nice again or I'll go on a peaceful protest... that'll show you what's up!"
His false claims of election tampering succeeded ( clearly even if no election fraud could be proven Trump had achieved what he wanted ).
Your so "we accept the election.... We don't even think about the Republicans rigging the election or anything else... we'll let the Republicans do it easier... how we want to protect our democracy? Here's some flowers!!!"
Dumb people gonna be dumb.
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I look at these types of comments with complete contempt. You have no idea what I've done and I don't plan on posting about it publicly.
I'm willing to chip in for t-shirts:
Can we stop doing anti-trans "I identify as..." jokes?
They started as pro trans.
Can I get THAT on a t-shirt? 🤔
Oooo I like that one
This is beautiful
Voted for Take it Down. Now concerned about bad stuff.
you realize everyone who voted on that voted for it except two republicans
Well aware. And the two just didn't vote.
Do something that would warrent the GOP being hostile tward you, maybe.
The Democrats have shown that they intend to continue to lose and will not take meaningful action to protect the public, it’s pathetic
so. What do you want them to do? say it out loud. Go ahead.
Mmkay. Keep drawing lines and saying "I'm warning you!". Fuckin do something now. Quit yelling at them to stop, and make them stop. If this is all that can be done we are turbofucked.
In fairness, this is her doing something. She can't impeach and remove trump by herself. She has to win over republicans. If she can get to some who will realize that if trump will arrest dems he doesn't like, he will do the same to republicans, then she can win.
It's the same tactic poloticians have been using, polarize the voters. Just in this case the voters are congress.
Side note, you can shorten democrats to dems. But if you shorten republicans to reps you could still be talking about dems, because they are all representatives. How annoying.
No no, AOC isn't doing enough.
She needs to go all Schumer on them and write a strongly worded letter that no one, possibly even the recipient, sees. That will do it.
Tell me, did she also sLaM him? I'm fucking sick of this posturing, do something already
Ugh there's so much of this obnoxious shit on YouTube. "Person A DEMOLISHES Trump in front of Setting B!" And then the video is literally just someone saying the same shit everyone is saying and Trump isn't even there. Or like "Watch Republican mortified as they realize they screwed themselves by electing Trump" and there's literally zero self reflection or regret.
There are so many videos and headlines that are literally just feeding on the clickbait potential of people waiting for a substantial response to this complete mess. Hypothetical dunking on people who aren't even in the room or don't react at all isn't the victory people seem to like to advertise it as.
And then they like fully miss an actual town hall in a Republican district booing the shit out of some MAGA toolbox.
I was about to write they need to make an offense first.
But you are right, they already did that, by preventing legal oversight.
That shouldn't be allowed to pass.
And 1000 other things. It's long past time for them to "have a problem". Put up or shut up AOC.
I mean, I doubt he'd refuse her offering to SLAM him, I think there was no such offer.
Seconded, AOC could fucking get it any day of the week
You had had a problem for decades. Stop pretending there's some red line that you won't allow them to cross.
Now maybe I'm being pedantic here but this does seem to slightly suggest that the ordinary citizens being kidnapped off the streets, and sent to death camps...whoops, I mean 'prison', without any legal support is not a problem?
However the upper class fools doing absolutely fuck all to stop the ordinary people being abducted by the us's Gestapo being fingered by tRUMP and his cronies is a step too far?
I like her. Don't get me wrong. She seems to be a good one. Speaks her mind etc etc but if she, and the congress people, would've had a problem about the little guys being taken on broad daylight then there wouldn't be any need to have a problem about her unpoors being fingered!!
Remember the German poem:
First they came for the poors but I did not speak out for I am not poor.
Then...
many members of Congress have been fighting for the people that have been and are being targeted.
Define "fighting for".
https://www.axios.com/2025/05/09/newark-ice-facility-ras-baraka-arrested-democrats
democrat representatives attempting to enter an ICE facility get turned away and some get arrested
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/18/inside-chris-van-hollen-moment-00299228
democrat representative went to El Salvador to see Kilmar Garcia
What are you even on about? She's been one of the few that's been talking about it non-stop. Tell me you've not been paying attention and are only interested in grandstanding without telling me..
Also, I will never take anyone seriously that types out "tRUMP."
HiTlErPiG
Hold up - they participated in the protest? Or they showed up and required a tour of the facility, which is their right as federal lawmakers?
What I saw indicated only the latter? Did they actually participate in the protest?
I have no idea but whether they did or not is irrelevant.
Protesting is constitutionally protected speech even for lawmakers, and has no bearing on their rights as elected officials to tour those facilities.
are they gonna carry 2 signs per person as a means of protest or what?
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Maybe they'll sit on steps or talk for really long! Pure RESISTANCE!!! Fire up the B4SE!!!! \s
https://www.blackagendareport.com/cory-bookers-boot-licking-butt-kissing-and-buck-dancing-zionism
So this thread has
- people upset the party with no power has no power
- people suggesting violence for others
- defeatists who haven't digged their suicide hole yet
What's new that I missed?
So far Trump needed a bunch of traitors among the Democrats to pass things such as his budget. Claiming the Democrats would have no power is a lie. They choose to use the power they have to enable Trump rather than to fight him. Otherwise they would have kicked people like Schumer out already.
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Exactly my thoughts too. They have to get creative to do it. They need to adopt to the new climate.
I just figure people are venting. AOC posts aren't really the right place, though. I like her videos, and she does give my students hope for what it's worth.
They don’t need hope. They need to realize if they don’t fight now there won’t be a future for them.
You're right. But they also need hope alongside what you said. Specifically, hope that there's a future to fight for and that they're not alone.
Don’t lie to them.
Why are you wasting time here instead of fighting then
You cannot chew gum and walk at the same time?
Rebellions are built on hope.
Hope alone isn't enough, but nobody shows up to fight without hope.
Social media will always have a selection bias of inaction because once someone crosses that line, they'd be a fool to post online about it.
The Lemmy trifecta
Don't forget people denying a member of Congress was caught on video commiting simple assault and obstruction of a federal law enforcement officer.
https://youtu.be/v4iQV8lgPUM
Federal simple assault
Obstruction
Nobody is above the law. There are procedures for oversight and bypassing those procedures are no different for a member of Congress than a typical citizen committing the same acts outside of the same position. Bypassing lawful procedure is not okay, regardless of political affiliation, and should not be tolerated.
LaMonica McIver is up for re-election in 2026.
Even if all of that were true. Does it matter? There is no inherent moral duty to follow the law.
Morality is subjective.
No. It's objectively immoral to run a dictatorship. It's objectively moral to resist it.
A dictatorship can be moral if it is benevolent. Resistance to such a government would be terrorism.
No such thing as a "benevolent dictatorship".
How something be terrorism when it's just not doing what some else wants you to do?
Like how ICE is just straight up kidnapping citizens?
What citizens have they kidnapped?
How about a four year old with stage four cancer?
The mother who was deported took the child with her by choice. It is horrible that the child is sick but the claim of citizens are being kidnapped is misinformation. If citizens are being deported I have not seen an example of that but if you see an example please let me know.
Evidence?
There was no assault in the video; further, congress people have every right to enter and examine detention facilities and those ICE agents were illegally refusing them entry.
I get that just going "THAT'S ILLEGAL!!!!!" Is meaningless and quaint but it still needs to be pointed out when it happens.
Hooray for more posturing! Really nice that this current administration has shown without a doubt that our entire system is full of spineless garbage that really will do nothing to balance power, which is literally why those branches of government exist.
Yes AOC is a firecracker and more verbal than most. Yes, she drives change and is a speaker for a the people. But without any backup from the entirety of our gov, she's just a megaphone yelling into a void.
That'd be the humanity.
Any system without wide popular involvement turns into shit.
Wide popular involvement requires simplicity and small number of levels, and ability to ruin and rebuild any part of the state apparatus quickly. So it's limiting, but those limits are liberating, one can say.
At the same time there are no good systems for that wide popular involvement, one would have to pick between Switzerland and the idealized Soviet system, neither is perfectly functional.
That makes you the void...
But everyone else is fair game...go for it.
Well, they already arrested a mayor. So the message is don't take another step.
Democrats are so cute fighting Trump. I'm afraid the people will have to battle this by themselves sooner than later. Or maybe not, like Argentina.
AOC and Sanders are legit. I agree with you on establishment democrats though.
They are legit, but I don't think they are very different. I see their rallies all over the USA, but they lack the planning, and if they do have a plan, they are failing to communicate it to the people. Also, Sanders is Independent, AFAIK.
They're better than other democrats I've seen but it's clear that Democrats will not fix this. Democrats have not only been complicit, but many are actively supporting Trump. Another impeachment attempt is a waste of effort.
The dems are appropriating and sucking energy away from protests so they can try to get elected. We do not have the time to wait around for an election. Project 2025 will be complete by then.
many of them are DINOS, because they wouldve never been elected otherwise if they had an R to thier name. they represent the republicans before they went Alt-right in the 80s-90s. at best its center right for most of the Dems, thats why there is no left in the us, even some D voters have expressed quite a few conservative beliefs.
What are they gonna do? Lawsuit? Lmao that snot know kingdoms work
Yeah! Don't touch our members of congress! Throw everyone else in jail, but not our most passionate public servants! /s
She said, he said........Just storm the capitol, easy! 4 years of US politics with trump killing freedom. Please nooo.
there already is a ton of problems. she’s toothless and a moron. her party is nothing more than republican-light these days anyway.
we need actual changes.
I'll admit she phrased this poorly but she's one of the best representatives we've got on our side. What's your plan?
My plan is to vote for folks who are not democrat or republican; as they both support exploitation, financial instability, genocide, and general capitalist concerns.
All things that are destructive to working class people. Some more than others, of course.
We should vote for people who are on our side.
yes, she’s also tacitly approved them, waited until she could test the waters, and all of that before “coming out.”
which says to me she had no real opinion other than “that which fits within the overton window of today.”
the same with RFKJR, “switching” parties. the same with Biden, claiming to be pro union… yet making it illegal for those rail workers to strike…
democrats are evil obfuscated.
republicans are evil without obfuscation.
the problem is not the party. it is the system.
All politicians are worthless.
Yes, everyone, check out and just let things happen. Stop participating.
Checking out and letting things happen is primarily for people who believe in politicians. It's for people who believe in voting. Just vote for your team every couple years and you'll be a "good citizen". It's a major foundation of the state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Yes, the concept of "representative" government is a complete scam and inversion of democracy.
I'm watching all this from the sidelines...
Damn, you're just perfect for being used. Crowd brain.
You don't even think about it... Your Republicans are bad because they said so and you are supposedly Democrats...
As a person who has suffered from the actions of your state and your politicians - you really don't know and don't want to understand the truth! Your Democrats are not white and fluffy at all... My God, you are fed slogans and you believe them. But you only blame the Republicans or Trump 🤦🏼♀️ And you don't see anything at all in your "favorites". Politicians always and everywhere use people! But at least Trump is not guilty of millions of deaths and money laundering, as well as corruption and pumping money out of other independent states! Yes, he is a businessman, yes, he is a devil, but he does it a little more humanely... And he did not just decide to destroy a nation to harm another. After all, he is a businessman, and not like your typical politician who built a career on the Cold War! And they can't live any other way. And if they also launder a ton of money, then everything is perfect. The main thing is let others die, but not the "great" democrats... pandering to dictators who spit on all norms and human rights! You are like those from the EU - greens - pour soup over historical value, works of art - that's a piece of cake. And the fact that wars harm the planet much more - who cares! And when unique endemics are destroyed, flora and habitats of fauna listed as endangered species in various conventions! Oh yeah, cutting down the Amazon forests for the sake of holding a climate change forum - that's hypocrisy and double standards!!!!
Think about it and start studying more, not just slogans and articles from your paid media. Or have you already forgotten about WikiLeaks??? So study the "great Biden" and search for Alexander Dubininsky on Twitter. Why is he being held in jail, illegally and without reason. For the truth and investigation! And oh, your Democrats are no better than Republicans. By the way, Gramm is also a bought character... There was enough evidence, but as always, great Democrats - in particular their friends in the EU are blocking YouTube channels so that Ukrainian citizens do not know the truth, since the usurper decided that he can impose sanctions against his citizens without trial or investigation 🤦🏼♀️🤬 Well, alas, they are now making a lot of profit. But smart people know the reasons very well, and who is who in the end. But no, you will now accuse me, like the usurper, of being "pro-Russian"... 😂 May all those who accuse me and those same Russians live my life and the lives of many others who died and lost everything in this war! A war of influence, money, control and ambition! It's disgusting!
I didnt read 90% of this becasue its really long but
You know the saying 'the house always wins'? This guy got the house to lose and bankrupted his casino.